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		<title>By: Disgusted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgusted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this as a symptom of a larger problem.

Why do we tolerate a society where both parents haev to work so neither parent can know the teacher well enough to let sanity handle things like this. 

They punish when they should discipline then wonder why we have only extremes.

You well behaved children and then adults, IT IS CALLED PROPORTIONATE RESPONSE.

But in order to have that the parents must know the teachers and schools well enough to actually trust them.
The armed camps where only authority figures are allowed to look someone in the eye will breed extremists and bullies.
Since a tiny breach is treated as a large one, no one sees any reason not to make a large one, if the response is the same for premeditation and accidents, why bother to learn to behave.

You want to get rid of extremists in the schools doing inane things like this, get to know the school your child attends.
You don;t like the policy? Change the policy or change schools, either you have the right to raise your own child or you don&#039;t.
Be a parent and DECIDE.

Sorry to rant, but it&#039;s all the same problem.
SO called weapons are only a problem if the teachers don&#039;t know the students and the parents don&#039;t know the teachers.

I along with a lot of other used to carry pocket knives to cut up apples we had with lunch. Managed to get through K-12 with not a single stabbing, me or anyone else.

It begins with the parents, goes to the teachers rests on the students who will eventually become parents in their own right. SO decide now, do you want grandchildren who walk with eyes averted and downcast, or do you want another generation that went to the moon.

It&#039;s all the same question, you can not climb if you are to afraid of falling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a symptom of a larger problem.</p>
<p>Why do we tolerate a society where both parents haev to work so neither parent can know the teacher well enough to let sanity handle things like this. </p>
<p>They punish when they should discipline then wonder why we have only extremes.</p>
<p>You well behaved children and then adults, IT IS CALLED PROPORTIONATE RESPONSE.</p>
<p>But in order to have that the parents must know the teachers and schools well enough to actually trust them.<br />
The armed camps where only authority figures are allowed to look someone in the eye will breed extremists and bullies.<br />
Since a tiny breach is treated as a large one, no one sees any reason not to make a large one, if the response is the same for premeditation and accidents, why bother to learn to behave.</p>
<p>You want to get rid of extremists in the schools doing inane things like this, get to know the school your child attends.<br />
You don;t like the policy? Change the policy or change schools, either you have the right to raise your own child or you don&#8217;t.<br />
Be a parent and DECIDE.</p>
<p>Sorry to rant, but it&#8217;s all the same problem.<br />
SO called weapons are only a problem if the teachers don&#8217;t know the students and the parents don&#8217;t know the teachers.</p>
<p>I along with a lot of other used to carry pocket knives to cut up apples we had with lunch. Managed to get through K-12 with not a single stabbing, me or anyone else.</p>
<p>It begins with the parents, goes to the teachers rests on the students who will eventually become parents in their own right. SO decide now, do you want grandchildren who walk with eyes averted and downcast, or do you want another generation that went to the moon.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all the same question, you can not climb if you are to afraid of falling.</p>
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		<title>By: NotZachScruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotZachScruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you outlaw school prayer, isn&#039;t that a step toward outlawing the small but powerful and well GOP connected gay-cult-side of Scouting?  If you&#039;re talking about &quot;baby out with the bathwater&quot; zero tolerance -- I&#039;d say that&#039;s way up there.  Or what about Bhuddist soldiers who are &quot;anti-war&quot;?  Where&#039;s the zero tolerance in that? Or Olympia Snowe?  How can her recent vote to put health care out there for illegal aliens be squared with zero tolerance?  Or sick folks who show up at the ER who ain&#039;t exactly &quot;like us&quot; if you get my drift.  True, if they get the swine flu and don&#039;t have the benefit of a &quot;public auction&quot; they&#039;re liable to spread it on public transportation or at the post office to the rest of us, but that&#039;s no reason to abandon our ideals, or the pleasure we&#039;re afforded by introduction into our midst of a new subclass.  Bravo, Zero Tolerance.  And we ain&#039;t even talking Coke/CokeZero here, but if the shoe fits, wear it.  Dum, dum, da, dum, dum, dum (I ain&#039;t retreating from Zero Tolerance until Rush or Glenn say so).  Really more Glenn than Rush -- Rush is so yesterday (and sucking up to Matt Lauer on the liberal networks proves it).  Remember Lieutenant Oliver North?  Got any idea where he would come down on any of this?  Freedom fries, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you outlaw school prayer, isn&#8217;t that a step toward outlawing the small but powerful and well GOP connected gay-cult-side of Scouting?  If you&#8217;re talking about &#8220;baby out with the bathwater&#8221; zero tolerance &#8212; I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s way up there.  Or what about Bhuddist soldiers who are &#8220;anti-war&#8221;?  Where&#8217;s the zero tolerance in that? Or Olympia Snowe?  How can her recent vote to put health care out there for illegal aliens be squared with zero tolerance?  Or sick folks who show up at the ER who ain&#8217;t exactly &#8220;like us&#8221; if you get my drift.  True, if they get the swine flu and don&#8217;t have the benefit of a &#8220;public auction&#8221; they&#8217;re liable to spread it on public transportation or at the post office to the rest of us, but that&#8217;s no reason to abandon our ideals, or the pleasure we&#8217;re afforded by introduction into our midst of a new subclass.  Bravo, Zero Tolerance.  And we ain&#8217;t even talking Coke/CokeZero here, but if the shoe fits, wear it.  Dum, dum, da, dum, dum, dum (I ain&#8217;t retreating from Zero Tolerance until Rush or Glenn say so).  Really more Glenn than Rush &#8212; Rush is so yesterday (and sucking up to Matt Lauer on the liberal networks proves it).  Remember Lieutenant Oliver North?  Got any idea where he would come down on any of this?  Freedom fries, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: NotZachScruggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotZachScruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not inclined to agree with Razor on anything, but I do here: Zero tolerance is a sorry excuse for low wattage administrators, who have risen to their final level of incompetence in the turgid, Byzantine bureaucracy we call public education, to take it down another notch (just when we thought it could sink no further).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not inclined to agree with Razor on anything, but I do here: Zero tolerance is a sorry excuse for low wattage administrators, who have risen to their final level of incompetence in the turgid, Byzantine bureaucracy we call public education, to take it down another notch (just when we thought it could sink no further).</p>
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		<title>By: RazorRedux</title>
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		<dc:creator>RazorRedux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFOTL @ 1128. If you&#039;ll just add a few more items; a compass, a pair of socks and gloves, your truck will be as complete as mine :) Maybe it was just an oversight on your part.

Ben. A henway of about five pounds? Or the other kind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFOTL @ 1128. If you&#8217;ll just add a few more items; a compass, a pair of socks and gloves, your truck will be as complete as mine :) Maybe it was just an oversight on your part.</p>
<p>Ben. A henway of about five pounds? Or the other kind?</p>
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		<title>By: DeltaLawMama</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeltaLawMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cat litter help when you need traction on ice or other slippery surfaces.</description>
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		<title>By: a friend of the law</title>
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		<dc:creator>a friend of the law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NMC, just to be clear, I view such absurdity as an overreaction to liberal policies enforced through our laws and lawsuits. A good example is school prayer. All prayer at school is not prohibited by the US Constitution. But, as an overreaction to lawsuits filed to stop alleged violations of the establishment clause (many clear, others questionable), many school districts react by attempting to ban any type of student prayer at school. 

It often seems that all it takes is one lawsuit involving any sort of &quot;weapon&quot; anywhere in the country, and school district administrators appear to use that as an excuse to vacate all common sense in the banning of such &quot;weapons&quot; and punishments administered for rule violations. 

No, Delta, I don&#039;t carry cat litter in my truck. Ha. But, IF had a traveling cat, I would probably consider it. IF I ever find a cat that likes to ride in a vehicle ---never seen one that does--- then I&#039;ll add this to my list. 

NMC, I consider myself a &quot;conservative&quot; on defense and fiscal issues, and a &quot;liberal&quot; when it comes to individual rights, freedom and liberty guaranteed by our constitution and recognized as inherent. So, maybe I am probably not the typical &quot;conservative&quot; that many of you think of in this regard. And then again, many of the so-called &quot;liberals&quot; these days seem to favor positions that fly against our conastitutional rights, freedom and liberty ---so, I don&#039;t really know what term best characterizes them. So that we can all communicate more clearly, maybe we should all try discussing topics without using these terms ----- I&#039;ll start, as I am just as guilty as anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMC, just to be clear, I view such absurdity as an overreaction to liberal policies enforced through our laws and lawsuits. A good example is school prayer. All prayer at school is not prohibited by the US Constitution. But, as an overreaction to lawsuits filed to stop alleged violations of the establishment clause (many clear, others questionable), many school districts react by attempting to ban any type of student prayer at school. </p>
<p>It often seems that all it takes is one lawsuit involving any sort of &#8220;weapon&#8221; anywhere in the country, and school district administrators appear to use that as an excuse to vacate all common sense in the banning of such &#8220;weapons&#8221; and punishments administered for rule violations. </p>
<p>No, Delta, I don&#8217;t carry cat litter in my truck. Ha. But, IF had a traveling cat, I would probably consider it. IF I ever find a cat that likes to ride in a vehicle &#8212;never seen one that does&#8212; then I&#8217;ll add this to my list. </p>
<p>NMC, I consider myself a &#8220;conservative&#8221; on defense and fiscal issues, and a &#8220;liberal&#8221; when it comes to individual rights, freedom and liberty guaranteed by our constitution and recognized as inherent. So, maybe I am probably not the typical &#8220;conservative&#8221; that many of you think of in this regard. And then again, many of the so-called &#8220;liberals&#8221; these days seem to favor positions that fly against our conastitutional rights, freedom and liberty &#8212;so, I don&#8217;t really know what term best characterizes them. So that we can all communicate more clearly, maybe we should all try discussing topics without using these terms &#8212;&#8211; I&#8217;ll start, as I am just as guilty as anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: NMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>NMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One sentence fits all&quot; has been pushed by conservatives for years, as a way of showing they were getting-tough-on-crime, and &quot;zero tolerance&quot; is a product of the same thinking, AFOTL.  In a fit of legislative getting-tough-on-schools, we got a statute that seemed to require expulsion for a year (I discussed this above).  Schools in such bastions of liberal thinking as suburban Jackson and Tupelo were expelling people for the pointy-nail-file on fingernail clippers.  This is not liberal thinking any way you slice it.

Perhaps we could have a long discussion on why political conservatives, willing to go charging off after all kinds of &quot;reforms&quot; like this, or mandatory arbitration, etc., aren&#039;t really conservative in the sense of &quot;lets be very cautious if not opposed to changing the way things are,&quot; but in the sense the word is used in politics, zero tolerance at schools is a conservative policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One sentence fits all&#8221; has been pushed by conservatives for years, as a way of showing they were getting-tough-on-crime, and &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; is a product of the same thinking, AFOTL.  In a fit of legislative getting-tough-on-schools, we got a statute that seemed to require expulsion for a year (I discussed this above).  Schools in such bastions of liberal thinking as suburban Jackson and Tupelo were expelling people for the pointy-nail-file on fingernail clippers.  This is not liberal thinking any way you slice it.</p>
<p>Perhaps we could have a long discussion on why political conservatives, willing to go charging off after all kinds of &#8220;reforms&#8221; like this, or mandatory arbitration, etc., aren&#8217;t really conservative in the sense of &#8220;lets be very cautious if not opposed to changing the way things are,&#8221; but in the sense the word is used in politics, zero tolerance at schools is a conservative policy.</p>
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		<title>By: bellesouth</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellesouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember some years ago a girl was suspended for the no tolerance rule of bringing chains to school.  She got suspended for having a key chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember some years ago a girl was suspended for the no tolerance rule of bringing chains to school.  She got suspended for having a key chain.</p>
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		<title>By: justthefacts</title>
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		<dc:creator>justthefacts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Common sense people. Just use common sense.....Thats all it boils down to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Common sense people. Just use common sense&#8230;..Thats all it boils down to</p>
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		<title>By: DeltaLawMama</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeltaLawMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFOTL do you stock cat litter? Or is that one seasonal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFOTL do you stock cat litter? Or is that one seasonal?</p>
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