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More thoughts about WestlawNext (UPDATED)

Here is some information for people who care about computer legal research:

  • First, on pricing, a post titled “My WestlawNext Upgrade Negotiations: Proof that West Isn’t Interested in the Solo Market,” which quotes the emails back and forth between solo practitioner / blogger Lisa Solomon and various Westlaw salespeople. Among the various upshots are: 1) Westlaw has swapped around databases and features in a way that seems to make it difficult to create your current set of databases without buying more, at least if you like ResultsPlus; 2) Contrary to what Westlaw said in the announcements, it doesn’t appear to be a modest price increase. I’m understanding this post to suggest that Solomon’s price would more than double to duplicate what she had, in the process selling her access to databases she did not want. That’s on one careful read of her complicated post. I’d love to hear more about this issue.
  • Second, a couple of posts on what the new features are.  The first explains pretty clearly that WestlawNext will use the key number system and headnotes to show most significant results higher up in your list of resullts. WestlawNext will apparently look at what documents users found interesting enough to print on a topic and use a database of that information to offer up results– essentially, say “Oh, people who wanted this also wanted that, so lets show him that.The other is a post by either a legal writing instructor or law librarian (can’t tell which) that covers some of the same ground, slightly less clearly.. One odd thing– no searches in quotes, at least yet. That’s truly annoying.  Beyond that, it accepts either Boolean or natural language searches. The post explains that it uses the key number system and head notes in a way that the post does not entirely make clear (for lack of information, I think).
  • A post in top-ten list form notes that synonyms and variations on search terms are used to produce results, so your search term does not need to appear in the hit to be listed.  Also, you are going to be able to store searches and documents in online folders and share results with others.
  • Another post has a couple of thoughts after the presentation.  About the first, I though:  Please don’t let this be the design premise going forward:  “Attorneys do not look at documents on Westlaw beyond the first 5 to 10 results. I suspect it’s the same for Lexis, and pretty much any search site nowadays”\
  • Finally, the founder of LawMoose in Minnesota writes:

My initial thoughts:Four criteria against which to evaluate this:

1. Better usability

2. Lower cost

3. Broader range of “all the world’s legal knowledge”

4. Better conceptualization of the underlying domain

WestlawNext sounds successful on criteria one. One might say usability is what people should expect all along in a premium service?

2, 3, and 4 are not mentioned.

2 is actually higher cost for a service many lawyers in the real world can’t afford already.

Apparently 3 and 4 are unchanged.

But what do I know, except what I’ve read about it.

And while on the subject of computers, how did Anderson hold out so long on getting a laptop?!

UPDATE:

Here’s another post from 3 Geeks and a Law Blog, starting with the observation that Westlaw’s plan to release this to law schools this fall is a plan to have law students trained to use a tool law firms may not be buying, plus explanations for the price increase.  The last explanation–That Westlaw will not eventually cease supporting WestlawNext– is foreboding.

Here’s my prior post on WestlawNext.

7 comments to More thoughts about WestlawNext (UPDATED)

  • mississippiman

    Westlaw is catering to the high-end clientele and leaving the solo/small firm market. They may not admit it, but it is happening through pricing. Fine with me. If I need the treatise I will buy the book or go to the library. The ABA Journal this month contains an article in which Fastcase alleges it will be adding secondary sources. Good.

    Law schools need to begin thinking about the way LRW classes are taught. At Ole Miss, you have one project using the books and are then issued a Westlaw/Lexis password. It is like giving away crack in junior high. Now that Google, Bloomberg, Fastcase, Casemaker, Thelaw.net, etc. are all providing alternatives, LRW classes should teach these methods. And in general, the school should make aware that outside of the law school library, these services cost money.

  • Philip Thomas

    Westlaw will cut deals on their pricing if forced to or desperate for the business. I was on a Westlaw contract that expired. I went with Lexis on a new contract because Westlaw wanted to significantly raise the price from my old contract. Six months later Westlaw was calling offering a contract for much less than what they were previously offering. I couldn’t switch, but it opened my eyes to the flexibility of their pricing.

  • David

    NMC

    Not too far off the road from the issue in your post, have you heard anything about Fastcase? New app (free). Doesn’t shepardize but pulls the cases pretty well. The statutes seem out of date. Otherwise, good app so far.

  • NMC

    I’ve heard that about it, too, David, and have not yet had a chance to try it. I’ve posted about it.

  • David

    Just found your post. Thanks.

  • Rebelyell

    The nearest law school to me doesn’t have any West Digests. They just have PUBLIC Westlaw terminals and lawyers are welcome to use them for research because they will bill you for your copies if you show your bar card.

    On the downside, it’s a 70 minute drive and costs $10 to park.

    I miss the books, which allowed you to see cases in other keys, where you could see that that had applicability, too. And it never fails that as soon as I get 20 minutes towards home, I remember something I forgot to search.

  • Anderson

    “Attorneys do not look at documents on Westlaw beyond the first 5 to 10 results. I suspect it’s the same for Lexis, and pretty much any search site nowadays”

    Omigod. I’ve been researching retroactive application of regulations, to prep for a Fifth Circuit argument, and I’ve been scanning lists of 20 to 75 opinions at a time.

    What kind of lawyer are we talking about here?

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